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yo! ¤¸ª½, sorry for late reply:p

Okay let's define war: A competition between two or more competitors over a common target/objective using varius methods to totally suppress other competitors and dominate them.
Whether you agree or not, I am a foreign born chinese so i wouldn't have such patriotism if you like towards China.
Retreat or ''tatical retreat'' are basically in fundametal terms the same thing.
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I don't get this. See my last sentence in this post.




you say i relate crimes between WWII and C.R but only on the similar properties: the brutal treatment of human beings by othe human beings.

I'm talking about the hyprocrisy behind it... I mean one one hand you say you ''love'' China and on the other, like everybody else, exploit the cheap labour. If you really ''love'' China then when you open up a firm, offer the fringe benefits and treat them more fairly instead of saying things like''mainlanders are always so uncivilised''

As to the HK bit... the full title is HKSAR Hong Kong Special Admin Region
Guaranteed self rule for 50 years... according to basic law

I'm not that knowlegeable or into the history of WWII so I'm not sure about the experiments but it seems likely that they would use POW's for their experiment like seeing how cold a man can survive(or was that germans)
from ethical view, it is cruel and unhumane, but nevertheless the data is used today.

I'm chinese, by definition a member of the chinese race ie taiwanese + HK-ese + all migrant all over the world.

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hmm.. two totally different systems... there were riots and pressure grps to force reform of KMT government in i think 196x therefore you can say they ''fought'' for their democracy. In China we fought but fail (ref to 64) plus imprisonment of protest leaders. Unification needs a lot of time, until at least over half the population can have the required basic education to think for themselves(just like DSP said democracy will take at least 50 years to come in) but looking on the bright side CHina is reforming for one, and with its size of population, at least there is a start.

I don't have good chinese skills, so I may have been and seemed baffled by the guy at game - X forum but I must stress that I didn't agree with him in the first place.

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Whether you agree or not, I am a foreign born chinese so i wouldn't have such patriotism if you like towards China.

Patriotism is not a prerequisite for discussion. Reasoning is all we need.

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Retreat or ''tatical retreat'' are basically in fundametal terms the same thing.

I'm saying that it is more than just "run for your life", I think you know what I mean.

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you say i relate crimes between WWII and C.R but only on the similar properties: the brutal treatment of human beings by othe human beings.

I'm saying that comparing brutality would not rationalize anything. I doesn't mean that you're trying to rationalize what happened in WWII, but comparing WWII with CR wouldn't change anything at all when we're talking about morality. That's the point I'm trying to make.

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I'm talking about the hyprocrisy behind it... I mean one one hand you say you ''love'' China and on the other, like everybody else, exploit the cheap labour. If you really ''love'' China then when you open up a firm, offer the fringe benefits and treat them more fairly instead of saying things like''mainlanders are always so uncivilised''

Well, I've never thought ''mainlanders are always so uncivilised'', and I was a mainlander myself some years ago. Some people are selfish, prejudical and hyprocritic, that's their problem, and such people are everywhere. Even in the same country some city guys exploit cheap labour who come from rural areas, that's a social problem, I think that has very little to do with patriotism or ideology of a nation.

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I'm not that knowlegeable or into the history of WWII so I'm not sure about the experiments but it seems likely that they would use POW's for their experiment like seeing how cold a man can survive(or was that germans)
from ethical view, it is cruel and unhumane, but nevertheless the data is used today.

As far as I know the experiments involve POWs in WWII(done by both Germans and Japs) makes little or no contribution to modern medical science. Most of them were carried out unscientifically and were not persistent. The purpose of most experiments were to find out how to kill people more effectively, not how to save people. Some of the experiments were even made "just for fun". So I don't know why you say "the results are used today", some examples maybe?

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I'm chinese, by definition a member of the chinese race ie taiwanese + HK-ese + all migrant all over the world.

Right. But the word Chinese could be used in two ways, race and nationality. Usually we mean race.



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