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µoªíªÌ: Pearltea Aug 18 2015, 14:18
Great read. Thanks for sharing.

I think it's not reasonable to blame on the shrinking manufacturing industry in HK. It's not even a
'hindsight 20/20' statement. As the cost of labor is much cheaper in Mainland, it makes little financial sense to hire locally than to outsource.

Another statistic that might also explain the direction of industry allocation trend in the recent years: Aging population.

Here are the median age of the three cities as of 2014:
Singapore: 33.6 yrs old
Hong Kong: 44.5 yrs old
Shenzhen: <30 yrs old

I could't find the historical numbers for all three, but for HK the median age in 2001 was 37.2 yrs old. As the workforce ages, the available pool of labor to work in the manufacturing industry is expected shrink considerably. So to play the devil's advocate, it's a little naive to expect an rapidly aging city to diversify its industry allocation the same way as it was 10 years ago. This also explains the growth of business activities in certain industries in order to accommodate the progression: financial and professional services (investments, savings, retirement planning, annuity, life insurance) and public administrations (healthcare, wellness, social welfare).

µoªíªÌ: Pearltea Aug 18 2015, 15:29
In addition, there's also other consideration to the significant growth in Singapore's economy - leveraging. SG's government debt to GDP ratio is standing dangerously high at over 100%, making it one of the most indebted nations. It poses tremendous risks as the country is growing at the cost of over-leveraging. The cost of borrowing makes it enticing for both household and government to get into more debt, but it is also apparent that the interest rate is becoming unsustainable and an increase is overdue and impending. It'd be interesting to see how it will play out to the growth when the government gets serious about tackling debts.

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Thanks for your comment.

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µoªíªÌ: Pearltea Aug 19 2015, 03:06
Thanks for the insightful explanation, and thanks also for the link on the sectors of economy (²£·~) classifications as that's something I don't see often (I'm more familiar with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Industry_Classification_System given my line of work)

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Okay maybe I'm not making too much sense or I can't articulate this in Chinese anymore , but the bottom line is that there'll always be leechers in the society. (Heck, just like the luxury brands - they are probably secretly celebrating their knock-off problems!) However, as long as the government is putting the effort and focus in the right place, to continue improving the overall competency by maintaining well balanced policies, rules and regulations, the city will continue to flourish and to attract many great talents. There are of course some harsh criticisms on the city's socialism move and 'anti-business' mindset, but intervention (or leadership I should say) is sometimes necessary for the greater good.

Another one thing that I don't read often about HK is its currency peg to the greenbacks. Having a massive amount of forex reserve ties up too much capitals that could have been used for investing activities, which *could* be a result of hindering growth.

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Thanks for the insightful explanation, and thanks also for the link on the sectors of economy (²£·~) classifications as that's something I don't see often (I'm more familiar with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Industry_Classification_System given my line of work)

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Okay maybe I'm not making too much sense or I can't articulate this in Chinese anymore , but the bottom line is that there'll always be leechers in the society. However, as long as the government is putting the effort and focus in the right place, to continue improving the overall competency by maintaining a well balanced policies, rules and regulations, the city will continue to flourish and to attract great talents. There are of course some harsh criticisms on the city's socialism move and 'anti-business' mindset, but intervention is sometimes necessary for the greater good.

Another one thing that I don't read often about HK is its currency peg to the greenbacks. Having a massive amount of forex reserve ties up too much capitals that could have been used for investing activities, which *could* be a result of hindering growth.

Feel free to use English here if that's easier for you. That being said, I have no problem understanding your Chinese, you expressed yourself well.

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Thanks. You evidently identified the issues and provided much better explanations to the root problem than the original article.

NYC is a unique city and NYers face their own many issues in terms of living (hence the main street Americans think that we're way out of touch with broader social topics). It's hard to conclude anything from the 30,000 ft view but there are some strong and negative sentiments toward the government (like the #blacklivesmatter movement), albeit the focuses are rather issue specific. We struggle with shrinking industries as well and the city is constantly fighting to preserve them before they lose their presence . But we can save that for another discussion as I don't want to hijack this thread.

Back to the topic. In terms of industry diversification and representation, it seems apparent that as long as the policies remain as they are today, there's little motivation to shift the mix of business. What are the incentives for entrepreneurs to focus on long term investments in order to reap greater benefits when the short term gains in the industry are more lucrative and the barrier of entry is little? To make matter worse, when one industry becomes overly competitive and saturated, profit margins are eventually squeezed and businesses have to find ways to tighten/cut costs or exit the market, which means no real growth and instead further decline and deterioration.

There is an urgent need to find ways to ignite and fuel growth in other sectors of the economy, but the current laissez-faire style is certainly not an answer and if anything, does more harm than good when a saturated economy is desperate to find new directions and diversification.

I'd love to see some developments that would gradually lead to a better representation of the Quaternary sector in the overall economy, like consulting, big data modeling, research, or even fields that most don't consider 'practical' today. However, the government needs to put some real plans in action to encourage that. (Not just plans but investments)

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