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willyho

發表於： Apr 1 2017, 01:34 　評價：+2

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[ltr]有人問我：「你說當特首是民望重要，還是能力重要？」我想也不想便答，當特首最重要的，是他或她與中央及港人的關係，在這方面民望當然重要，但若處理中港關係得宜，民望自然會站在特首那一邊。[/ltr]
[ltr]民望這東西可以說是頗為虛無縹緲，但不同時段卻具不同意義。民望最具影響力的時段當然在於選舉期間，甚至有人說民望比政綱、比候選人的背景更為重要，民望處理得好，選舉極可能事半功倍。但選舉後，民望對地區領袖之影響卻變為不是那麼重要了。[/ltr]
[ltr]君不見世界上有哪些國家或地區領袖民望能長期高企？管你上任時是多麼受歡迎，人民始終是要求很高的，達不到他們的期望，民望自然下滑。為民望而施政，不若為理想和原則而施政。只懂刻意追逐民望，實非有質素的從政者所為；長遠而言亦非社稷之福。[/ltr]
[ltr]留意民望與民意不容混淆。民望是指市民對從政者之喜好或期望；民意是指社會對一些重要課題之看法或意見。管治者不應以民望為施政標準，但卻不能漠視民意。民意若與管治者之施政理念各走極端，那明顯地是施政者之失敗。若領導者不能領導，只重戀棧其位，勉強延續雙方關係，只會嚴重影響社會穩定性。民望與民意之分別正在這裏。[/ltr]
[ltr]還有一點要弄清楚，在這媒體最能輕易影響社會意見的世代，媒體的政治力量實不容輕視。在具政治立場的媒體吹噓或攻擊下，從政者的民望很容易會被扭曲，甚至建立在虛假的「事實」上。以這種「民望」量度從政者的能力或誠信，實在不是那麼公平。但在一個自由開放的社會裏，我們不易分開帶有政治圖謀的傳媒與忠於專業準則的傳媒。便是分得開，不同傳媒影響民望的力度亦難以分開。這亦是我們要小心分清民望與民意之別的原因。從政者的路一向不易行，今天更甚。[/ltr]

The thing is, the popularity of a political leader is not directly related to their ability to govern. Perhaps John Tsang is more popular, but how many have spent time reading his platform? And no matter how much one dislikes Carrie Lam, what is her platform? Relying on the media to dictate who to vote for, is effectively giving up one's claim to individual agency. It is to surrender one's ability to think as an independent, as opposed to going with the flow.

The question is not 'who is the bad guy' but how to make the best of what is available.

耒戈氏	發表於： Apr 1 2017, 03:29 　評價：+1
反潮流才是王道！！發表數： 6,255 所屬群組：太守註冊日期： 7-15-2007 活躍：23 聲望：1540	Granted, one thing we should be really glad for this year's election is the lack of scandals, despite presuming all those media is very willing to find one (they live with those!). Think about it, all citizen in those democratic countries should really be glad for this. Were we are able to pick a CE, it is a difficult choice actually, particularly if most people don't bother reading candidate's platforms and rely on the media. Both are definitely capable candidates. Just that those so-called democrats want to discredit Carrie just because she was preferred by Beijing. That's the thing that make me sad.

willyho

發表於： Apr 1 2017, 08:00 　

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QUOTE (耒戈氏 @ Apr 1 2017, 11:29 )

Granted, one thing we should be really glad for this year's election is the lack of scandals, despite presuming all those media is very willing to find one (they live with those!).

Think about it, all citizen in those democratic countries should really be glad for this.

Were we are able to pick a CE, it is a difficult choice actually, particularly if most people don't bother reading candidate's platforms and rely on the media. Both are definitely capable candidates. Just that those so-called democrats want to discredit Carrie just because she was preferred by Beijing. That's the thing that make me sad.

There's not much point of universal suffrage, if it just becomes a popularity contest. Especially when people tend to want to skip the hard work of reading the running platforms, and instead listen to the radio hosts they deemed to be 'trustworthy'. Thing is the media panders to the whims of its subscribers. Hosts say what people want to hear as opposed to what actually is the case.

The so-called democrats basically frame themselves as the veto of legco. In fact this was one of their running platforms. It has little to do with actual lives, any more than to prolong their lifespan in legco on borrowed time.

The so called 'middle' ground, as often used to describe the likes of Ronny Tong, is confused with 'practicality'. Especially when politics is about achieving a compromise between varied interests.

More later

~欣~	發表於： Apr 5 2017, 09:38
=] =P =\ =[ =D 發表數： 658 所屬群組：一般註冊日期： 1-02-2004 活躍：7 聲望：135	Hong Kong is split into 2 groups that are pushing further and further apart. One group blindly says yes to whatever the PRC & HK governments say, and the other says no. Hong Kong is a city with median income of $15,000 among the work force, and majority of those people face no future growth or prospect. We can see a 1-room apartment selling for over $30,000 per sq ft with housing price never coming down. Public housing threshold and construction speed are too slow to accommodate those in need. Housing problem is just one out of many problems in Hong Kong. I'm sure the form of the government is not the sole cause of these problems, but it's definitely the easiest target. What is better to appeal to people than a change of government when there is a huge population of discontent people. I do not think Hong Kong people need democracy. But if different social and financial problems remain unresolved by the government, this cry for democracy will only grow stronger lol -------------------- =]

neveryield	發表於： Apr 5 2017, 11:22
一品官發表數： 2,057 所屬群組：一般註冊日期： 9-30-2010 活躍：13 聲望：529	Hong Kong doesn't need democracy, Hong Kong needs land for local housing. -------------------- 世間之事，惟鬥爭已。既便你達成了那最高尚的目的，亦無法彌補因为你採用了最卑劣的手段所帶来的恶劣影響。一碗醇酒拈手來，坐看洪流不復來經年不見花已殘，舊日芳人何處尋開醰陳酒香四溢，醉臥山河愁不還倒酒為河，夾肉為林，有此佳肴，何以為憂？眾人皆醒，唯我猶夢中，不知年日，問長城依舊？一竹獨行，十木皆枯，百里無塵，千秋不還。日月更年，星晨生息，西海東來，南松北往。還看舊地，天移地去，綠葉無蹤，礫石為孤。蒼蒼茫茫，滴水沉泥，青草既出，逝會歸回？大雪連綿千幾里，孤房門角一窗櫺，老湖中間一條狗，獨坐冰樹望烏雲。杯中良酒回回香，甘甜酒辣酸辛苦，佳陳何止千百變，喜愁哀樂豈無嚐？

阿暪

發表於： Apr 5 2017, 13:37 　評價：+1

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QUOTE (~欣~ @ Apr 5 2017, 17:38)

Hong Kong is split into 2 groups that are pushing further and further apart.
One group blindly says yes to whatever the PRC & HK governments say, and the other says no.

Hong Kong is a city with median income of $15,000 among the work force, and majority of those people face no future growth or prospect.
We can see a 1-room apartment selling for over $30,000 per sq ft with housing price never coming down.
Public housing threshold and construction speed are too slow to accommodate those in need.

Housing problem is just one out of many problems in Hong Kong.
I'm sure the form of the government is not the sole cause of these problems, but it's definitely the easiest target.
What is better to appeal to people than a change of government when there is a huge population of discontent people.

I do not think Hong Kong people need democracy.
But if different social and financial problems remain unresolved by the government, this cry for democracy will only grow stronger lol

我認同香港分裂為不同陣營已經很嚴重
但如果說這是一方盲目聽從中央和港府, 另一方盲目反對中央和港府, 也是對事情太過簡化了
這兩邊的人都有他們各自的理念的, 但也太偏執
一方對普選的功用過度神化, 乃至為了這個理念而漠視了實質城市發展需要和運作, 當然其中一些人的確是把港府過度妖魔化, 乃至反對一切港府的施政, 他們的施政的反對反而阻礙了政府解決問題 (例如反對土地開發)
另一方一些人其實是出於另一方盲目反對的不滿, 並不是反對民主或者盲目支持中央, 不過也有一些人的確是太輕視了個人權利和民主價值.

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