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I guess I agree but also disagree with the author's arguments, and here are my 2 cents:

1. Comment section (new articles, social media posts) ¡V I agree with the observation. Not to turn this into one millionth vent about how much I loathe reading comment sections, but I try to avoid them like the plague. I don't recall how much value I got out of people talking themselves into oblivion, rather than realizing that I wasted x minutes of my time on pointless rant, endless bickering, and tasteless jokes. Obviously there are valuable/reasonable comments out there, but they often don't show up because comments are displayed based on the highest number of "likes" and I don¡¦t have the patience to scroll through another 10000 meaningless comments before reading them.

2. Dunning-Kruger Effect ¡V I don't know, this seems a bit too much generalization here. I¡¦d rather see two separate lines - perhaps one for people with self-awareness and one for those who have zero Fs to give? For the former group, I¡¦d think it would be an upward slope as people in this group would understand that they don¡¦t have much knowledge on certain topic, and therefore are fully aware of and acknowledge that.  But for the latter group, I don¡¦t know if it needs to be a line or a curve, probably just a dot on the chart @ 100% confidence @ low competency LOL.  I¡¦d think they are too content or confident and wouldn¡¦t think they need to know more than what they already know.

Okay with all jokes aside, I would think that at low competency, the word "confidence" should be replaced by "ignorance" or "arrogance" instead. I know I¡¦m playing with semantics here, but true confidence to me is the ability to recognize your level of knowledge/expertise in a specific area, and the courage to admit that you don¡¦t know everything and there¡¦s more for you to learn.  
If we do substitute the word "confidence" with the two I mentioned above, then it would be a downward slope, which also fits Einstein's argument of "Ego = 1/Knowledge"

3. Clickbait/TL;DRs  - ¡§³o®É¥N¤À¨É¤@½g¤å³¹®É¡A¤j¦h¼Æºô¥Á¥u·|¾\Ū¤Q¦h¦rªº¡u¤p½s«ö¡v¡A©Î·í¤@­Ó¼ÐÃDÄÒ¡¨
This is actually interesting and is something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately.  
In a world where people are overloaded with overwhelming amount of information and the media is constantly competing for eyeballs, the only way for people to get their point across is through wise and meticulous choice of words (this is also where the old saying "brevity is the soul of wit" becomes pertinent). If you fall victim to verbosity, or fail to catch people's attention with your first sentence or few words, you'd most likely lose the audience.  I think that's largely the reason clickbait articles are flooding the internet and you can't read any free contents without seeing promoted articles with titles like "You won¡¦t believe how xxx looks like today".  

I have to admit that this is something I do on a daily basis at work too. When I write emails,  I don¡¦t bother discussing/presenting anything at length anymore ¡V emails are only used to address a few actionable items, or set up meetings to chat over the phone or face-to-face. And in the first few sentences of my message I tend to focus on either "what needs to be done", "what is the $$ impact to the company", or both,  with subjects like "xxx - Revenue Opportunities", or even an actual question calling for a discussion. So what I do is like using "clickbait" or "tl;dr" if you will.  I know I'm guilty (not really) for doing this, but with everyone¡¦s time is limited, the last thing I want is for a stakeholder or decision maker to say "okay, let me set this aside and think about it later" which would often get forgotten, but rather "interesting, let¡¦s run with it/discuss it" or "forget it, it¡¦s a waste of time". 

Okay, enough of my blither (pretty ironic too since I just boasted the importance of brevity). I¡¦d be interested to see what others have to say.

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In general, I'd agree that "the more I learn, the more I realize there's a lot more to learn".
But when it comes to a specific subject matter, I'd have a hard time agreeing 100% with that statement. 
For example, I have very little, if any, knowledge about many things.  Say digital art for example, which I started doing about a year ago.  After hours of practicing I'd say I have a bit of experience on this, so I'm probably somewhere between "None" to little in terms of experience level on the chart, but there was never a point in time where I felt like I was at the highest point of confidence level on this subject as Dunning and Kruger suggested, if that makes sense. However, I do feel more confident now than a year ago in terms of being able to utilize different functions and tools that I never knew was possible when I first started.

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I'm still wondering if this has anything to do with maturity or personality. There are people out there who simply refuse to think they need to learn more than what they already know, especially when it comes to topics/subjects where the discussions tend to be more subjective than objective, or if there is no easy answer or solutions to the issues. You can't help but wonder why those people are so adamant about themselves being absolutely right and fail to consider any facts and figures that suggest otherwise. And to be honest I am not sure if they would ever be open to learn after establishing their own stance on the topics/issues.


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QUOTE (Pearltea @ Apr 18 2019, 22:21 )
In general, I'd agree that "the more I learn, the more I realize there's a lot more to learn".
But when it comes to a specific subject matter, I'd have a hard time agreeing 100% with that statement. 
For example, I have very little, if any, knowledge about many things.  Say digital art for example, which I started doing about a year ago.  After hours of practicing I'd say I have a bit of experience on this, so I'm probably somewhere between "None" to little in terms of experience level on the chart, but there was never a point in time where I felt like I was at the highest point of confidence level on this subject as Dunning and Kruger suggested, if that makes sense. However, I do feel more confident now than a year ago in terms of being able to utilize different functions and tools that I never knew was possible when I first started.

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I'm still wondering if this has anything to do with maturity or personality. There are people out there who simply refuse to think they need to learn more than what they already know, especially when it comes to topics/subjects where the discussions tend to be more subjective than objective, or if there is no easy answer or solutions to the issues.  You can't help but wonder why those people are so adamant about themselves being absolutely right and fail to consider any facts and figures that suggest otherwise.  And to be honest I am not sure if they would ever be open to learn after establishing their own stance on the topics/issues.

In relation to the second part, I think it's because of the associations made with the phrase "I don't know". Especially when most people want to group with someone who "knows", or at least claims to. It's not so much the data and new evidence not considered, but the anxiety(?) of being wrong. That mental state of knowing that one is wrong could lead to cognitive dissonance. It would take a certain amount of mental gymnastics to reconcile pre-held beliefs and new evidence. 

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I disagree slightly

I think it's those who know a little bit more than average about a topic that tend to act as if they know everything.

Example: Reading lots of reader's digests can make one seem knowledgeable at a dinner party. At least in terms of being able to carry a conversation with more depth about a range of authors, genres, era etc. However, this is different from getting an in-depth conversation about a very specific topic.

Say, there's a difference between knowing and knowing the results of a health check. The former merely means going to the GP and get the general understanding. The latter refers to what the results actually mean, especially for the GP. And what inferences can be drawn.

(That's like saying knowing what stocks are in the portfolio, and knowing each and every stock in the portfolio-such as their annual earnings, corporate governance, management turnover, industry sector etc. The latter requires far more intellectual effort, namely in the form of reading through annual reports, talking to the management if possible, understanding current economic climate and how it affects the industry sector etc   
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