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I think it's common for programmers/software engineers. My husband, brother in law and most of my college buddies are software engineers, and most of their lunch times are spent eating by their desks or taking pretty short breaks. It is very similar style despite that they work in different industries - defense & aerospace, government contractors or departments, financial information, insurance, or banking.

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1- Majority of engineers are introverts. That means they enjoy solitude and are happier eating by their desks and browsing/surfing the internet instead of doing lunch outings in a group (Ask an engineer to choose between computer time and socializing time? He or she will tell you they get plenty of socialization on the internet)
2- Sometimes they are just that close to solving an issue or coming up with an idea, but starvation is calling them.

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Similar to reason #2 for lunch time above. Unfortunately for their type of work, manual hours don't always correlate to output and productivity. It's not like "Give me an extra 30 mins and it'll be done". A lot of times hours are hardly relevant but sometimes an issue could be identified/fixed after some random/odd hours. That is also a reason that the large tech companies in Silicon Valley offer flexible hours (meaning you can work 10pm-6am instead), health & wellness facilities, relaxation area, and cafeteria full of free food - so that they can put their thinking caps on when they "get into the mood"

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Similar to the reasons above. They are usually paid for the productivity rather than hours spent on each task/projects.

­¹¶º: I agree to both #1 and #2.

¥[¯Z: The high tech industry is highly competitive current. All programmers must work their @$$es off to get their worth. This is just a return to the norm after the boom in the late 90's and early 00's.

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I merely intended to show their salary level. As my friend told me. There are several Chief Building Surveyors, and Chief Structural Engineers in the Buildings Department. One CSE will in charge of a district, such as New Territories West, Kowloon West etc.

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In the US, the salary of various professions in government agencies are generally lower than equivalent positions in the private sectors. Gov't employees are also not eligible for bonus, and have little opportunities for fast track advancements. However, the jobs are still enticing to many as the jobs are relatively relaxed, low stress, secured, or even flexible. Benefits are actually a huge perk - employees get more vacation days and paid holidays, decent inflationary raises/adjustments, free insurance and very good pension package which they would enjoy upon retirements.
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In the US, the salary of various professions in government agencies are generally lower than equivalent positions in the private sectors. Gov't employees are also not eligible for bonus, and have little opportunities for fast track advancements. However, the jobs are still enticing to many as the jobs are relatively relaxed, low stress, secured, or even flexible. Benefits are actually a huge perk - employees get more vacation days and paid holidays, decent inflationary raises/adjustments, free insurance and very good pension package which they would enjoy upon retirements.

This is similar to Hong Kong. Private companies will offer especially high salary/salary+bonus for the elites. On the other hand, government jobs are generally relaxing, the salary level is to an extent attractive, but not enough for elites.
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