[轉載] 從「暴動」到選舉，本土新生代梁天琦說：我不想失敗，我想贏
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[轉載] 從「暴動」到選舉，本土新生代梁天琦說：我不想失敗，我想贏| willyho |
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八品官  發表數： 250 所屬群組： 一般 註冊日期： 10-01-2003 活躍：6 聲望：110  |
Having posted the article as is, there are a few things I want to say.
An indication of anything but an actual understanding of what democracy is...
non-sequitur... Did he just skip his logic class or something?
Slight modification should be: 不惜一切，甚至犧牲(他人的)個人利益，一起去達成目標，一起去贏。
Whatever [香港的文化和核心價值觀] means, why should he (and his gang) get to decide whether one is a part of HK? He seems to treat HK as if it was his hall where he was king. Just a curious thought: Lets suppose that the new immigrant is a westerner, so to speak. Will he apply the same standards, or is it target-specific? Because if the standard is different, then it's a double standard. If he identifies HK core values with western values, then he is not promoting HK at all. This also means his 'localism' philosophy fails, since by identifying HK values with western values, he is saying that there is no such thing as 'HK values' aside from being a synonym for western values.
 *sigh* Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi but most importantly Nelson Mandela who once held similar views regarding use of violence disagree. All in all, he is well-spoken, but well short of the master Goebbels. He is simply a mobster. Articulate but still a mobster. What he brings in is a mob mentality, an us versus them mentality where frankly no one would win. I can't care less whether he is a philosophy major. 本篇文章已被 willyho 於 Mar 6 2016, 13:25 編輯過 |
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反潮流才是王道！！ 發表數： 6,255 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 7-15-2007 活躍：21 聲望：1540 |
Frankly, what he is doing now does not satisfy his "no bottomline" policy.
Rioting in Mong Kok does not help. Rioting in Mong Kok go against all the residents living there, and all the SMEs operating there. He does not know democracy. He does not act to the point. He cherry-picks history. Hong Kong is not University Hostels. 本篇文章已被 耒戈氏 於 Mar 4 2016, 05:46 編輯過 |
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 四品官 發表數： 1,289 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 9-22-2003 活躍：5 聲望：614 |
「那時我想不明白，為什麼要考A-level，每晚瘋狂溫書，難道就是為了好學位、好工作、供好的樓、娶個好老婆，生個好兒子，代代這樣做下去？那麼我就是社會的齒輪，這樣做人，是做人嗎？」 Alrighttt then...according to his book I can't share the title "human being" with him. I'd be interested to know how those 66K people who voted for him feel about this statement. In a nutshell, he hasn't demonstrated a level of maturity that makes him a credible and competent candidate. Based on this interview and his campaigns, from sports competitions between halls to the recent by-election, he seemed to be so obsessed with winning. It's almost like he willingly ignores what he is fighting for and would do anything as long as he wins. It begs the question "Is he just trying to win or is he onto something more important or better?" Also, from his stories leading intramural sport teams in school and handling differences with his family, he revealed nothing but a "my way or the highway" mentality. Ironically, isn't this counterproductive to what he has been fighting for?
It's okay. There are always going to be a few bad apples. Hey, food for thought, you can be his TA if he decides to retake Intro to Logic!  本篇文章已被 Pearltea 於 Mar 4 2016, 05:45 編輯過 |
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| willyho |
發表於： Mar 4 2016, 06:26
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八品官 發表數： 250 所屬群組： 一般 註冊日期： 10-01-2003 活躍：6 聲望：110 |
According to the other articles on the site, it seems mainly focused on the sense of disappointment at the slow if not non-existent progress made by the government towards a better living standard. Factor in existing social issues, it creates a desire for change in voters. What the radical/extremist are selling is a blank cheque for fast/immediately observable change in legco.
Taking a charitable interpretation, what he said has a Kierkegaardian (齊克果) feel. However, I think even if that is the case, Kierkegaard is saying that one should be 'in' but not 'of' the world. To retain a sense of individuality by making a choice not to go with the flow. This would, I believe be in line with Sartre's radical freedom. One has a choice to make, and is condemned to making them. In both cases, one also has to face up to the consequences of one's choices and/or actions. For Kierkegaard, making this choice and taking responsibility for the choice is a part of be(com)ing a self. Specifically, if the self consists of all of ones experiences and records of all deed and misdeeds over a lifetime. I will venture to say aside from superficially capturing some sort of existentialist philosophy feel, his is misquoting.
Unless he applies the standard universally, he is promoting xenophobia and racism.
In other words give up your own individual thoughts. Sounds more like Big Brother to me. 
I'll introduce him to my logic lecturer Just a thought, is his victory anthem going to be something like this:  本篇文章已被 willyho 於 Mar 4 2016, 06:30 編輯過 |
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| Pearltea |
發表於： Mar 4 2016, 06:49
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四品官 發表數： 1,289 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 9-22-2003 活躍：5 聲望：614 |
The lyrics seem too "happy go lucky" for his personality :P
I think this seems more suitable: I've paid my dues Time after time I've done my sentence But committed no crime And bad mistakes I've made a few I've had my share of sand Kicked in my face But I've come through And we mean to go on and on and on and on ... Man I hate to insult a great Queen song! For that reason I won't post the lyrics of the famous chorus :D ------------------- Edit: ok that was a little harsh, I'll turn the sarcasm switch off. 本篇文章已被 Pearltea 於 Mar 4 2016, 07:03 編輯過 |
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當暴徒消遙法外而既有制度再無效用，你會見識到真正的民主，所有人以己為主，任憑己意行各樣事。
即為亂世之端。 -------------------- 世間之事，惟鬥爭已。
既便你達成了那最高尚的目的，亦無法彌補因为你採用了最卑劣的手段所帶来的恶劣影響。 一碗醇酒拈手來，坐看洪流不復來 經年不見花已殘，舊日芳人何處尋 開醰陳酒香四溢，醉臥山河愁不還 倒酒為河，夾肉為林，有此佳肴，何以為憂？ 眾人皆醒，唯我猶夢中，不知年日，問長城依舊？ 一竹獨行，十木皆枯，百里無塵，千秋不還。 日月更年，星晨生息，西海東來，南松北往。 還看舊地，天移地去，綠葉無蹤，礫石為孤。 蒼蒼茫茫，滴水沉泥，青草既出，逝會歸回？ 大雪連綿千幾里，孤房門角一窗櫺， 老湖中間一條狗，獨坐冰樹望烏雲。 杯中良酒回回香，甘甜酒辣酸辛苦， 佳陳何止千百變，喜愁哀樂豈無嚐？ |
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想搞暴力革命不是問題，然而你對社會的認識在哪里，革命的策略在哪里，想建立的東西是什么，怎麼樣能實現，這些思考完全看不出來。 這些人還停留在「你不聽我們的訴求，我們就要用暴力讓你不得安寧，逼你答應」這種青春期叛逆的水平。召集點人跟警察衝撞下，扔些東西點些火，最後被抓幾個人，就覺得自己有多「團結、忠誠、犧牲」了。在他們眼中這就是「革命」的浪漫主義了。 說到底，一個繼承國民黨「革命情懷」的人去搞革命，這本身就是個笑話。 p.s. 看看毛澤東在他這個年齡段是怎么推動湖南自治的：
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| Pearltea |
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四品官 發表數： 1,289 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 9-22-2003 活躍：5 聲望：614 |
Was Kierkegaardian religious? Christians often refer to the popular Bible verses that emphasize "in but not of the world". I think from a religious standpoint, the saying meant to remind people that although ones are exposed to many 'sins' in the world, with faith ones can set apart and elevate from the 'evil principles', and focus on building prosperity in the souls and living a holy life. I don't know if Edward Leung had some spiritual meaning behind this statement and supported his actions and believes by some sort of moral callings, but at a minimum his tone shows a holier-than-thou attitude. |
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八品官 發表數： 250 所屬群組： 一般 註冊日期： 10-01-2003 活躍：6 聲望：110 |
Kierkegaard was definitely more religious in comparison to his contemporaries. The emphasis from Kierkegaard was not to be a 'person of immediacy'. For example, consider say the difference between a polished diamond crafted onto a ring and sold at the jewelers, and say an unpolished diamond. The bouquet is refined and highly valued for its social purpose. Unpolished diamonds are less refined in comparison. A person of immediacy so to speak is like a diamond on a ring that is held in regard in the social world. As a result a person of immediacy can gain social and economic advantages relatively easily. The cost however is the loss of potential to become a self, just as a polished diamond no longer has potential for change.
Taking the religious aspect aside, Kierkegaard is not saying we can't be of the world, but to be aware of the consequences of choices made. A bit like thinking reflectively about social issues, and to be aware of how much and far one is committing oneself. Leung talks reflectively but lacks reflection in the content, despite his image as presented by the media. He may be presented as having bold individuality, but he is really pandering to a specific group from whom he can get easy support. 本篇文章已被 willyho 於 Mar 4 2016, 20:38 編輯過 |
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 神隱之主犯-永遠與須臾之罪人 發表數： 3,458 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 9-18-2003 活躍：15 聲望：1860 |
原來是國粉，智商問題，不必再多言
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最近有報導提到梁本人是 90 年代的新移民,
而其母也是湖北人, 想必佢母親也非以廣東話為其母語, 當初他們初來香港相信也有各種不便, 甚至受到歧視, 也需要一段時間才融入香港. 到今時今日梁天琦已經融入香港生活, 卻去加入一個終日攻擊和歧視移民的組織? 相信其人應甚無同理心. 不知是因為想從加入歧視新移民去尋求認同和證明, 還是媳婦熬成婆的心態 -------------------- 暗淡了刀光劍影，遠去了鼓角錚鳴
眼前飛揚著一個個鮮活的面容 湮沒了黃塵古道，荒蕪了烽火邊城 歲月啊！你帶不走那一串串熟悉的姓名 興亡誰人定啊！盛衰豈無憑啊！ 一頁風雲散啊...變幻了時空 聚散皆是緣啊！離合總關情啊！ 擔當生前事啊...何計身後評？ 長江有意化作淚，長江有情起歌聲 歷史的天空，閃爍幾顆星 人間一股英雄氣... 在馳騁縱橫... |
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神隱之主犯-永遠與須臾之罪人 發表數： 3,458 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 9-18-2003 活躍：15 聲望：1860 |
這叫不叫吃狼奶長大，哈 |
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皈依者狂熱嘛 |
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八品官 發表數： 250 所屬群組： 一般 註冊日期： 10-01-2003 活躍：6 聲望：110 |
其實不想把希特拉拖下水，因為希特拉比他強多了。至少人家也參與過世界大戰1，還因為英勇表現獲頒發勳章。話說他也有一點猶太血統，而且是奧地利人，不是德國人。梁氏和希氏在心理上還挺像，都有對自我身份多少感到自卑。希特拉對國家失望所以參選，但梁是因為想【贏】。
即使把希特拉和梁天琦放在一起，也是把梁抬高了。而梁極其量不過是希特拉的降級版，一個斯文爛仔。 |
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神隱之主犯-永遠與須臾之罪人 發表數： 3,458 所屬群組： 太守 註冊日期： 9-18-2003 活躍：15 聲望：1860 |
現在香港，冒充英雄的代價太低近乎沒有，導致台面上充斥著冒認英雄的狗熊，希望當局加重打壓，也好讓市民從這幫狗熊裡找到哪怕半個英雄，免得大家浪費感情，是金子總會發光的不是嗎(笑笑)
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