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One of the issues with "we burn you burn" is that it tends to become "we (all of us, except me) burn, and you (all) burn with us". Furthermore, where exactly is the end goal? If the protest was against the bill, then goal is already achieved. It's learning to take the winnings off the table and cash in the chips.

I think it's kind of funny that some protesters are banking on Trump for support. Fact is there are limits to what the US is willing to do for the sake of HK. Besides, if the aim is to show police brutality, then it must be done that one is definitely on the moral high-ground. For example, not engaging in senseless destruction. Not to be seen targeting companies that hold a different political opinion. Some time ago in the mainland, on a public holiday, Japanese shops were looted and cars smashed. It was likely related to the Nanking killings. However, despite all that, the looters are in the wrong, since those being looted have nothing to do with the actual killings, aside from guilt by association.
Today, some protesters are doing exactly the same thing, as those they arrogantly named "barbaric and uncivil", and only too happy to look down upon and dismiss.

And the best bit? By sabotaging the MTR, taking down traffic lights etc, they are in effect holding the rest of HK hostage, except the targets they were protesting at. As for police moles? take them out and show to the world that they are the individuals responsible for the looting etc.

A black kettle is still a black kettle, even if it's electrical.

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One of the issues with "we burn you burn" is that it tends to become "we (all of us, except me) burn, and you (all) burn with us". Furthermore, where exactly is the end goal? If the protest was against the bill, then goal is already achieved. It's learning to take the winnings off the table and cash in the chips.

I think it's kind of funny that some protesters are banking on Trump for support. Fact is there are limits to what the US is willing to do for the sake of HK. Besides, if the aim is to show police brutality, then it must be done that one is definitely on the moral high-ground. For example, not engaging in senseless destruction. Not to be seen targeting companies that hold a different political opinion. Some time ago in the mainland, on a public holiday, Japanese shops were looted and cars smashed. It was likely related to the Nanking killings. However, despite all that, the looters are in the wrong, since those being looted have nothing to do with the actual killings, aside from guilt by association.
Today, some protesters are doing exactly the same thing, as those they arrogantly named "barbaric and uncivil", and only too happy to look down upon and dismiss.

And the best bit? By sabotaging the MTR, taking down traffic lights etc, they are in effect holding the rest of HK hostage, except the targets they were protesting at. As for police moles? take them out and show to the world that they are the individuals responsible for the looting etc.

A black kettle is still a black kettle, even if it's electrical.

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One of the issues with "we burn you burn" is that it tends to become "we (all of us, except me) burn, and you (all) burn with us". 

What the hell does  "all of us, except me " even mean? Am I the only one here who finds it unintelligible?
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Furthermore, where exactly is the end goal? If the protest was against the bill, then goal is already achieved. It's learning to take the winnings off the table and cash in the chips. 

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I think it's kind of funny that some protesters are banking on Trump for support. Fact is there are limits to what the US is willing to do for the sake of HK. Besides, if the aim is to show police brutality, then it must be done that one is definitely on the moral high-ground. For example, not engaging in senseless destruction. Not to be seen targeting companies that hold a different political opinion. Some time ago in the mainland, on a public holiday, Japanese shops were looted and cars smashed. It was likely related to the Nanking killings. However, despite all that, the looters are in the wrong, since those being looted have nothing to do with the actual killings, aside from guilt by association. 

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And the best bit? By sabotaging the MTR, taking down traffic lights etc, they are in effect holding the rest of HK hostage, except the targets they were protesting at. As for police moles? take them out and show to the world that they are the individuals responsible for the looting etc. 

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All you have shown is nothing more than a mob mentality, that your pet project "noble cause" is so important that everything else is just "collateral damage". It also goes to show that you're no better than the Nazis who claimed to speak on behalf of the majority, or when the US launched its "war on terror" by wreaking havoc on Iraq, and drag its entire nation into chaos with nothing to show for it. How is this so different from you willing to risk the lives of others, or is it just that only your group are the "real people of Hong Kong"? 

When a group decides to put its beliefs above its members by closing down dissent, there's a word for that. It's called a "cult".
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All you have shown is nothing more than a mob mentality, that your pet project "noble cause" is so important that everything else is just "collateral damage". It also goes to show that you're no better than the Nazis who claimed to speak on behalf of the majority, or when the US launched its "war on terror" by wreaking havoc on Iraq, and drag its entire nation into chaos with nothing to show for it. How is this so different from you willing to risk the lives of others, or is it just that only your group are the "real people of Hong Kong"? 

When a group decides to put its beliefs above its members by closing down dissent, there's a word for that. It's called a "cult".

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All you have shown is nothing more than a mob mentality, that your pet project "noble cause" is so important that everything else is just "collateral damage". It also goes to show that you're no better than the Nazis who claimed to speak on behalf of the majority, or when the US launched its "war on terror" by wreaking havoc on Iraq, and drag its entire nation into chaos with nothing to show for it. How is this so different from you willing to risk the lives of others, or is it just that only your group are the "real people of Hong Kong"? 

When a group decides to put its beliefs above its members by closing down dissent, there's a word for that. It's called a "cult".


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Again, you proved my point that either you don't read, are deliberately misinterpreting, or just dishonest for the sake of your pet cause. You sound more like someone projecting how they play video games onto how the real world operates. Just a quick fact: When the US launched their "war on terror", they also had support of the majority. And, to repeat myself again, the Nazis also rose to power through majority vote. What I'm therefore saying is that you are no better than either the US voter who voted for the Iraq war, or the German who chose to remain silent as increasingly extremists policies were implemented. 


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Nice try on trying to put a label on me. You try to make condemning social disruptions and supporting the police equivalent issues when they are not. Choosing an action from lesser of two evils does not make you not evil, just less so. (Also isn't it just a bit presumptuous to assume majority support, when the real concern is more likely to be about potential back-lash, even if just expressing doubt?)

(Stop making HK into an echo chamber, with a group proclaiming to be the moral conscience of HK participating in an eternal circle-jerk)

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