台灣是一個省，已經成為中國一部份

Idiots don't overthrow the ROC and bring a new age to China. Idiots use idiotic ideas to claim that people who made great achivements are idiots.

以前讀中三時中史書最後一部份都是兩岸關係，
但不知是不是學校怕觸礁所以飛過不教，考試都是考到文革完

不知中四之後是怎樣，有沒有讀文科的板友可以說說?

Idiots don't overthrow the ROC and bring a new age to China. Idiots use idiotic ideas to claim that people who made great achivements are idiots.

If u borned 30 years earlier and from a poor country.
I believe u maybe one of the leader in China.................rather than a zealot of community here.

本篇文章已被 kyr 於 Jan 6 2008, 13:04 編輯過

你肯不肯定? 在陳水扁未改憲之前, 中華民國憲法上領土應該包括大陸台灣+蒙古

I guess I said something made u misunderstand. (I will edit it .)


中華民國憲法上領土應該包括大陸台灣+蒙古
The 中華民國had controled 大陸台灣+蒙古before.
But the 憲法was set before the 中共controlled the mainland
The idenification of 中華民國is a ""incomplete country"".

But....can u say a incomplete country not a country?


中共did not use the title of中華民國and set a new name中華人民共和國.
It can be known as a new country.
As a view of outside party, 2 country found.
中華人民共和國never step on Taiwan
So.....中共在憲法上領土包括大陸台灣is no proof.(by international view)

台灣憲法is true
中共憲法is false I should said.....

Of course.....the critical point for linking up Taiwan and China again is the 2 sides come out and talk rather than agruing on law.

Wow, so anyone who doesn't agree that "PRC founders are idiots", or anyone who thinks "do not change the country name" is an idiotic idea --- is a zealot and will probably gain power through the cultural revolution? Is that what you want to say?

If you don't understand what lies behind the civil war conflict, you should do some more research instead of blaming that historic figures (especially the successful ones) are idiots. It often makes me laugh when people identify others as idiots due to their own ignorance.

So, in your so called "international view", concepts of territorial inheritance within a nation (cultural entity) never existed. According to your "international view", taking control means legitimacy. Well then, countries should feel free to invade each other, as long as they take control to places, "internatinoal view" will accept it.

Please, today is 2008, not 1008.

拜託，不要對"中華民國"自作多情了，也不看看當今"中華民國"台面上都是些啥人物，你把人家當中國正朔，估計陳某第一個不愿意。

再說了，PRC繼承ROC的聯合國中國席位已經是三十五六年前的事了，不了解的請先去翻翻資料，聯合國席位算不算international view偶是不大清楚的。

『陳某』怎麼想不確定
但『某陳』肯定是第一個反對的
我承認我是來亂的(逃)

對"中華民國"自作多情了. <-----I am natural on that.I just remind what the Taiwanese said.(Blue side)



Someone tried to showing power/搞政治化 from giving new standard .And finally turn into the tools for others to 撈政治資本賺選票.....that is wise idea,ok I get it.



聯合國?
Just see what 聯合國 can did in mid-east....
聯合國nearly disabled by USA with paying no more fund in 200x on mid-asia problem......
Taiwan business(both econ/military)nearly having same treatment with countries.
America agree""1 country"",but what character did he acting between Taiwan and Chinese.




Also, the Taiwan may make itself a country through 聯合國with enough voting.

The international view should"" agree the 1 who give bigger piece of cake."""rather than"""1 China"""

The failure of linking Taiwan back with China is the leader seldom try to solve the problem and take their own opinion to external and use money to buy supporters.

As the China leader prevant to answer the Taiwan problem directly,and trying to give a hand ...........there's still someone give this answer loudly with his mouth.
Maybe that tell us how the 公民教育委員can make such agrue.


Elder guy in this forum should know someone call"""Clever Wong""" here.
Everytime he will support Taiwan with no doubt, his speech is not fair.
However, those who support mainland not totally make sense.....
Not only here but other forum.
Everytime mainland supporters take Mainland憲法,Taiwan take the Taiwan憲法.
The goal belong to the side with more ppl/more post.
But the agruing never end....and do not have a exact number

Wow, so anyone who doesn't agree that "PRC founders are idiots", or anyone who thinks "do not change the country name" is an idiotic idea --- is a zealot and will probably gain power through the cultural revolution? Is that what you want to say?

If you don't understand what lies behind the civil war conflict, you should do some more research instead of blaming that historic figures (especially the successful ones) are idiots. It often makes me laugh when people identify others as idiots due to their own ignorance.

According to ur speech and how you act as admin in forum~

Let me inform you about the facts again:

They didn't make it.

And agreeing "1 China" is now giving them, and will continue to give them the bigger piece of cake, so the result makes no diffrence.

So, according to internation view, there is only one China.

Again, go study the content and reconition status of the "one China policy" instead of talking nonsense at the forum. You think mainland China (or the majority of the world) now refuse to admit this policy? Do you live on Mars or what?

It's not one's fault if they lack knowledge in politics, but if you want to talk about it, at least try to learn the basic facts and make some sense.

王聰明 indeed is more clever than you. At least he won't talk about things he don't know and pretend that he knows. I could reason with Wong, and I don't disagree or critize his view everytime. However, with you, I could only hope that you'll educate yourself more and make some sense in your political arguments.

This is not an issue of standpoints, this is an issue of valid logic and supporting facts. Even if you make up bullshit to support the PRC or blame Taiwan, I'm still willing to point out your bullshits.

If everyone is as ignorant as you and refuse to improve, I won't even come here, not to mention being an admin.

I admin/moderate other forums as well, it seems that people do like to have a "zealot"? I guess they likes to see a "zealot" argue against ignorant people who think others are idiots.

本篇文章已被 徐元直 於 Jan 7 2008, 10:30 編輯過

They didn't make it.

And agreeing "1 China" is now giving them, and will continue to give them the bigger piece of cake, so the result makes no diffrence.

So, according to internation view, there is only one China.

Again, go study the content and reconition status of the "one China policy" instead of talking nonsense at the forum. You think mainland China (or the majority of the world) now refuse to admit this policy? Do you live on Mars or what?

It's not one's fault if they lack knowledge in politics, but if you want to talk about it, at least try to learn the basic facts and make some sense.

王聰明 indeed is more clever than you. At least he won't talk about things he don't know and pretend that he knows. I could reason with Wong, and I don't disagree or critize his view everytime. However, with you, I could only hope that you'll educate yourself more and make some sense in your political arguments.

This is not an issue of standpoints, this is an issue of valid logic and supporting facts. Even if you make up bullshit to support the PRC or blame Taiwan, I'm still willing to point out your bullshits.

If everyone is as ignorant as you and refuse to improve, I won't even come here, not to mention being an admin.

I admin/moderate other forums as well, it seems that people do like to have a "zealot"? I guess they likes to see a "zealot" argue against ignorant people who think others are idiots.

Didn't make it not equal to never make it in future.
I don't think the Taiwan can ever success,but there's no evidence Taiwan will give up untill 1 of them can not afford or some new agreement.

However,a agreement keep with money is only trading.(As buying spotter with money).
Although there's nearly impossible ,but I still take an example,if China stop funding, the Taiwan maybe turn into a country then.(A dependent country in natural,don't agure the name here).

Do you still think it you can still state """1 China """is a unique and steady""international view""??


Make no differenece"""1 China """in saying,2 individuals in actual.



[/QUOTE]Again, go study the content and reconition status of the "one China policy" instead of talking nonsense at the forum. You think mainland China (or the majority of the world) now refuse to admit this policy? Do you live on Mars or what?

It's not one's fault if they lack knowledge in politics, but if you want to talk about it, at least try to learn the basic facts and make some sense.[QUOTE]
Please stop saying proof.....I really don't understand what u meaning iof prove.....
After I give u my comment of MAO from his past....should I dig him upo and ask him???
Please chase back the news of relationship between Taiwan and Chinese in past 2 years and compare it with the past.
How the China react when President Chan try to say the word"dependent"
How it react last decade.
The direct airline from China to Taiwan........(although refuse by the Taiwan.)


The target is turning from Taiwan is part of China rather than Taiwan belongs to China.(I hope u understand the difference,Mr wise on everything except economic.).Of course,it need to prove in further time.



The reason u keep staying here......should be ur articles can not sold as陶傑does....although both of u write in same style,different direction.

Actually I think u are normal when saying things donot involve China political......
And you know......same ppl would group together.
I can't find any point from a guy admin several forum equal to good guys.....
At last....I have to remind u.....admin mostly need to provide in knowledge technical,rather than other the words......

這裡講,廢事廬江城開post好似開片gum.
元直你send 幾個你D forum看看你怎麼admin
你&司馬仲達D野我不想多講.
以前無盡的四國說過可能吸引D小p孩,你們2個照去馬.
ha~好la, 做cheap 左la.
引元小p孩出全力放嘴砲轟人.
使得Hksan X人=有料.....
仲達講2講管理forum D野熱血,好似big bother.( 現在好dd)
E家重回""高知識"",Golden not allow......
你discuss=
1.游花園
2.無盡的copy paste
3.陶傑 style攻擊.

我2~3年我潛艇左
但是幾個有quali D 人,類似收左山,PM我幾次(normal關係.......)
上次太空reply,幾個潛艇一起出左.....

我不知道什麼la......

本篇文章已被 kyr 於 Jan 7 2008, 12:01 編輯過

I'm talking about now, not some minute future possibilities. There's a minute possibility that California will become a country, too. So what?

Funding what? Taiwan use funding to get ally, PRC don't. You can't distinguish between funding and trading?

I don't see you put out any valid reason to state otherwise. One China policy is accepted by the majority of the world, it has been, is still and will continue to be in effect. That's it. This is a fact, not a topic of controversy at all. Even the Taiwanese admit that they have very little international recognition as a country, otherwise they wouldn't complain that they were oppressed. The causes behind this internationl view, be it money, politics, history, subjective impression, god's intention or a combination of the above......does not matter, it doesn't change the fact that lies in front.

You can't argue against the fact, doing so is asking to fail.

Tell me a single official reaction from the PRC that contradicts the one China policy. Tell me a single official reaction from the PRC that ever mentions "one China" as a negotiable topic.

"They try to give a hand......" So? Does it ever contradict with what I says or what the textbook says? No. Has the PRC stopped mentioning "one China" in recent years? No.

Then, what's this?

To me, it's nonsense.

Taiwan is part of China == Taiwan belongs to China
Taiwan belongs to China =/= Taiwan belongs to the PRC

Any knowledgeable person should be able to comprehend this. Maybe you're an exception? You should really concern about your own understanding, not those of others.

Oh dear, now instead of putting out better arguments, you resorts to detractive labeling. Unfortunately, this tactic will only defame yourself when you couldn't make proper arguments in the discussion.

I'm always normal in whatever topics, China politics or not. A lot of topics in this board are normal --- from me and from other people. (Well...... unless your standard of "normal" means one should never deviate from the average HK people's political view --- which I do deviates.)

However, some people just don't (or can't) reason normally, sometimes they also lack the necessary knowledge and refuse to learn, yet they insists on what they believe. It's hard to have proper discussion with them.

Btw, did I ever said I'm a good guy? I'm a bad guy, but sometimes useful.

At last... an admin is not just a technical support or FAQ guy, admin is a forum member as well (at least in HKSAN). I have the right to say whatever you have the right to say.

本篇文章已被 徐元直 於 Jan 7 2008, 15:08 編輯過

哦，原來搞四國也是為了引小白來屠殺，很強大的理論呀，我肯定想不到。

如果你分不清胡亂「X人」與有料論戰的分別，那只能說明你無料而已。

1.有些人不帶他游夠n次，他會堅持說花園不存在，或是顧左右而言他，那我只好將就其水平，不辭勞苦地游花園囉。

2.是呀，引文回應等於copy & paste。

3.即是如何？無限引申？上綱上線？你總結一下「陶傑 style」是啥嘛。

所以？

把元直跟陶傑聯繫起來....

在我眼中元直跟陶傑的表達方式是兩個極端.


至於中國政治和HKSAN內政, 我還是食花生算了

不能不讚嘆kyr勇氣可嘉。

在「X人=有料」「陶傑 style攻擊」橫行的HKSAN發言近六千而不死，明明樓上才是勇者王呀。

11,嚴重同意元直

請問圓寂說了我什麼，我看不懂(死)
(翻譯網站出來的大綱我怕可能跟原始意思差太多)

題外話，我最近到我家公司露個臉，跟一個是我爸多年好友、出社會時共事的工程師一起看了新聞。
之前我就聽聞我爸說這個人談到政治的話就不行，我沒想到居然到那種地步...
新聞是連勝文被打，他就說打人的一定是藍軍的人、是苦肉計，而當新聞再說那人只是個無黨籍的瘋子的時候他又說「所以這不是綠軍幹的啦。」
而該選區候選人段宜康對此事的發言是：「連家三代對台灣毫無貢獻」云云，他又說罵的好。

這種時候不是應該先譴責暴力嗎...

回到工作崗位他接到別人的電話，掛斷前他跟電話那頭的人說公投一定要去投，要讓台灣知道世界的聲音......他以前也開過公司，應該知道這種事情的可為不可為，政黨真的會讓一個聰明人變成腦殘呀(死)

最近的斷交事件，我看到討論說只要台灣連一個邦交國都沒有，就真的是永遠也翻不了身，對外真成了中國一部分了，是這樣嗎？

(突然覺得台灣的處境跟那個鑽油基地差不多...)